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    Okay so besides being generally cool, my question with this post is:

    It cost the guy $9000 or so to build what is essentially a movable dwelling, and it looks quite cool. What I naturally think of then is what are the economics of if everyone decided to do this?

    As in, right now the going price for a home is hundreds of thousands of dollars. What exactly is the thing that makes building a home so damn expensive that this bus leaves out? Would the cost of busing go up if more people decided to do it? My candidates would be:

    • Living Space
    • Electrical Wiring
    • Real Plumbing
    • Real Kitchen
    • (EDIT) Laundry
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      Those are all pretty important things!

      Also, a house can house a whole family. Can you imagine living in that bus, as a family? That is hellish. Basically, “what are the economics if everyone lives in dorms / Soviet communal apartments”? Interesting abstract economic question, not remotely realistic actual scenario.

      Edit: Also, it looks massively claustrophobic. I can see having a panic attack within a day of living there.

      It’s probably relevant that there’s no talk, on that page, of anyone actually deciding to live there, much less actually going and living there for any non-trivial length of time.

      Like, this is basically a trailer home. Trailer homes are a thing you can buy. How much do they cost? Is living in a trailer a comfortable or an uncomfortable experience? That’s a thing you can do, right now—buy a trailer home and live in it. Do people do that? Yeah. Do people do that who aren’t forced to do so by inescapable financial circumstances? No. Why not?

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        Ahhh, it’s the family bit I hadn’t considered.

        I should probably admit that building such a monstrosity and then driving off with it in one form or another has been one of my not-so-guilty fantasies for a while. I’m not sure it would really be feasible but damn is it attractive in many ways.


        This article points out that this kind of thing probably only works in a suitable climate: https://www.consumerismcommentary.com/extreme-frugality-living-out-of-your-car/

        As for not realistic, yeah I probably shouldn’t have said ‘everyone’. What I really meant was something more like “If say, 20% of the population decided to do this, what would happen?”

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          Trying to partially answer my own question in the spirit in which it’s posed:

          This kind of lifestyle implicitly relies on some gray market economics that only remain viable for as long the number of people freeloading is small. For example:

          • ‘Public’ Bathrooms
          • Parking space

          Are both things that people doing this generally squat or take advantage of in ways that aren’t intended behavior. Once anything like this became remotely common those resources would start to become more locked down, and with the increase in people trying to utilize them the remaining spaces would become more crowded, causing even more previously ‘open’ spaces to lock down further. Ultimately people would probably have to pay for the land they’re using one way or another, and I don’t really know what the specific dollar amounts look like on that but with the sheer number people suddenly having demand I would expect it to be substantial enough to offset a lot of the benefit you’re paying for by giving up easy access to sane plumbing.

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            Trailer parks are already a thing in the US, aren’t they?

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        I think this is a pretty neat project, and I wholly agree with the motivation behind it. Especially in this modern era of computer aided everything, designers don’t really have a good feel for what materials behave like in the real world. I was listening to a machinist friend of mine complain earlier about how computer aided design tools made it extremely easy to overspecify precision, without realizing that there is a big difference in cost between ordering a part that’s 10.0 centimeters long and 10.00000 centimeters long. In the old days, when you had to draw things out by hand, this difference was apparent, even at the drafting phase, because you’d have to use an entirely different set of rulers, etc for the high-precision stuff. But today, it’s as simple as hitting zero a bunch of times, and there’s nothing in the CAD tools that says, “Hey every zero you’re adding is doubling the cost of the part.”

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          I have seen a lot of bus and van overhauls. I really like this one because it goes for maximum functionality, efficiency and cost saving. If I was to do this myself someday, this is exactly what mine would look like. Good Job!

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            Well I wouldn’t pat myself on the back too hard, since after all this isn’t my overhaul. ;)

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